Torco, Anybody else using it? Options

[darrenbrezinski]

I see a lot of comments on poor rpm and performance. I used to be one of them until I started running torco faithfully with every tank no matter how fresh of 91 octane it was. Fuel where I live sucks for the most part. 87 has a blend of ethanol and the shelf life on it is 30 days and the 91 octane we have could be 6 months old. There really isn't a lot sold here unless it's winter and even then with a 3500 gallon tank at the pump it takes a long time to burn it. Even when they refill it it comes from a 10 000 gallon holding tank 24 miles away and I'm only guessing here but I bet it doesn't get filled more than 3-4 times a year.
My performance was like a yo-yo good one tank bad the next. I would add some Wynn's or STP octane booster and it would help somewhat but not always. One tank I would get 8150 rpm continuos and then the next I would get 7800. I got a stage 2 from yayou and it would pull like a freight train 8500 initial and then 8250 and next tank the performance would be out the window. I switched to Lucas octane booster at $13.95 a tank and it would do well when I bought premium but I had times when it didn't run 100% as well.
Often I would assume there was something wrong with the clutching or reference hoses, boost box etc. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has wore out the bolts that thread into the seat and the tunnel bolts that hold the gas tank. Under Yayou's recommendation I purchased some Torco and have been running it ever since with remarkable performance consistency. I now have Stage 3 in my ECU and still run's consistently 8700 -8600 initial response to rapid full flipper and 8300 after. I add 8 oz to every 10 gallons of premium and am very happy with it. I know I will still have the occasional hose or clamp failure but now at least I can honestly say that if my rpm's drop there is a problem some where and fuel is no longer one of them.
Anybody else have the same luck running Torco? Or is it luck? I wish there was an independant study on this product. Maybe there is and I haven't seen it?

[Snobeeler]

I see a lot of comments on poor rpm and performance. I used to be one of them until I started running torco faithfully with every tank no matter how fresh of 91 octane it was. Fuel where I live sucks for the most part. 87 has a blend of ethanol and the shelf life on it is 30 days and the 91 octane we have could be 6 months old. There really isn't a lot sold here unless it's winter and even then with a 3500 gallon tank at the pump it takes a long time to burn it. Even when they refill it it comes from a 10 000 gallon holding tank 24 miles away and I'm only guessing here but I bet it doesn't get filled more than 3-4 times a year.
My performance was like a yo-yo good one tank bad the next. I would add some Wynn's or STP octane booster and it would help somewhat but not always. One tank I would get 8150 rpm continuos and then the next I would get 7800. I got a stage 2 from yayou and it would pull like a freight train 8500 initial and then 8250 and next tank the performance would be out the window. I switched to Lucas octane booster at $13.95 a tank and it would do well when I bought premium but I had times when it didn't run 100% as well.
Often I would assume there was something wrong with the clutching or reference hoses, boost box etc. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has wore out the bolts that thread into the seat and the tunnel bolts that hold the gas tank. Under Yayou's recommendation I purchased some Torco and have been running it ever since with remarkable performance consistency. I now have Stage 3 in my ECU and still run's consistently 8700 -8600 initial response to rapid full flipper and 8300 after. I add 8 oz to every 10 gallons of premium and am very happy with it. I know I will still have the occasional hose or clamp failure but now at least I can honestly say that if my rpm's drop there is a problem some where and fuel is no longer one of them.
Anybody else have the same luck running Torco? Or is it luck? I wish there was an independant study on this product. Maybe there is and I haven't seen it?

I tried it yesterday and had same result as you did. Had tried other brands with no luck. I think the fuel everywhere is a roll of the dice on how good it is. I have seen the big swings in performance with pump gas on my stock 06 and my stage 2 08. Did you buy a 5 gallon pale of it or 32oz bottles. Looks a lot cheaper going with the 5 gals.

This post has been edited by Snobeeler: Feb 7 2010, 11:03 PM

[darrenbrezinski]

I would gladly have bought the 5 gal but the only place I could even find the stuff was recreation supply in Saskatoon and all they had were 32oz cans at $38 a pop. I asked them if they could get it in the 5 gal containers and their comment at the time was they didn't even know it came in larger quantities. Maybe now if the product moves quick enough and becomes popular they will get it in. I imagine the good old "lets charge the crap out of them for it" attitude will prevail here as well. They had 4 cans on the shelf and I bought all 4. Not because it was such a good deal L.O.L. but because it is 180 mile drive to get it. I contacted Torco directly to see if I could get some shipped and they told me they would but that would involve me finding a carrier that would haul hazardous materials across the border and they themselves knew of none.

[mnmsnowbeast]

Torco,anyone know anyone who carries this stuff here in the states,auto stores,lowes home depot,how much money for the 32oz???

[FST-4Banger]

I use to use octane boost, but thought it to be a sham, but when I start to look back after re-fueling with Prem, sometimes the performance was just gone, I shrugged it off, I now use a ethanol fighter and fuel stabilizer in all my Motors called STAR TRON www.startron.com it will last up to 2 years and the enzymes allow more oxygen to attach to the fuel molecules at the time of combustion, resulting in a more complete burn of the fuel which leads to better fuel economy, restored power and throttle response. A 8 fl oz bottle will treat 48 gallons of Gas or 1 fl.oz.to 6 gallons of gas. Not cheap but it is now at my Polaris dealership and was tested by SNOW TECH Mag sept.2009 issue they were impressed, I feel my engine run a whole lot better on reg or prem....Great stuff!!!

[Snobeeler]

Torco,anyone know anyone who carries this stuff here in the states,auto stores,lowes home depot,how much money for the 32oz???

All your answers are at torco dot com. Have not found it in any stores YET.

[mnmsnowbeast]

I see a lot of comments on poor rpm and performance. I used to be one of them until I started running torco faithfully with every tank no matter how fresh of 91 octane it was. Fuel where I live sucks for the most part. 87 has a blend of ethanol and the shelf life on it is 30 days and the 91 octane we have could be 6 months old. There really isn't a lot sold here unless it's winter and even then with a 3500 gallon tank at the pump it takes a long time to burn it. Even when they refill it it comes from a 10 000 gallon holding tank 24 miles away and I'm only guessing here but I bet it doesn't get filled more than 3-4 times a year.
My performance was like a yo-yo good one tank bad the next. I would add some Wynn's or STP octane booster and it would help somewhat but not always. One tank I would get 8150 rpm continuos and then the next I would get 7800. I got a stage 2 from yayou and it would pull like a freight train 8500 initial and then 8250 and next tank the performance would be out the window. I switched to Lucas octane booster at $13.95 a tank and it would do well when I bought premium but I had times when it didn't run 100% as well.
Often I would assume there was something wrong with the clutching or reference hoses, boost box etc. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has wore out the bolts that thread into the seat and the tunnel bolts that hold the gas tank. Under Yayou's recommendation I purchased some Torco and have been running it ever since with remarkable performance consistency. I now have Stage 3 in my ECU and still run's consistently 8700 -8600 initial response to rapid full flipper and 8300 after. I add 8 oz to every 10 gallons of premium and am very happy with it. I know I will still have the occasional hose or clamp failure but now at least I can honestly say that if my rpm's drop there is a problem some where and fuel is no longer one of them.
Anybody else have the same luck running Torco? Or is it luck? I wish there was an independant study on this product. Maybe there is and I haven't seen it?

Can you post a pic of the torco,is it an octane boost or fuel additive.

[Snobeeler]

Can you post a pic of the torco,is it an octane boost or fuel additive.

I went to torco dot com for you and copied this picture. Torco is a "Race Fuel Concentrate"
 if_accelerator_1_.JPG ( 9.79k ) Number of downloads: 8



This post has been edited by Snobeeler: Feb 8 2010, 06:06 PM

[mnmsnowbeast]

I went to torco dot com for you and copied this picture. Torco is a "Race Fuel Concentrate"
 if_accelerator_1_.JPG ( 9.79k ) Number of downloads: 8

Hey thanks alot,now at least i know what it looks like.

[SWITCHMAN]

I am also experiencing the same fluctuating performance. One day it will spike at 7900 and settle at 7700, the next with different gas and cheap octane booster it will pull your arms off spiking at 8700 and setteling at 82-8300. Has anyone tried the Amsoil booster, it's readily available to me in Minnesota. I will give it a try this weekend and report back.

[darrenbrezinski]

Would be nice to actually see what gains there are on a dyno or something. The test would have to involve continuos full throttle for 30-40 secs though because that is where it would show real life testing. I beleive when the change with poor fuel and knock occurs it happens after the initial flip of the throttle and the timing gets pulled sooner with the less octane. say 4 sec or so. on 87 and 8-10 sec on 90 etc. Looking back I wish I would have been using torco before the dyno session. I could have requested a test with some funding. Maybe it can't even be done. Can a dyno do longer test runs or would there be to big a build up of heat? All the dyno runs I have ever seen they only happen over a matter of 3 sec or so.

[Snobeeler]

Would be nice to actually see what gains there are on a dyno or something. The test would have to involve continuos full throttle for 30-40 secs though because that is where it would show real life testing. I beleive when the change with poor fuel and knock occurs it happens after the initial flip of the throttle and the timing gets pulled sooner with the less octane. say 4 sec or so. on 87 and 8-10 sec on 90 etc. Looking back I wish I would have been using torco before the dyno session. I could have requested a test with some funding. Maybe it can't even be done. Can a dyno do longer test runs or would there be to big a build up of heat? All the dyno runs I have ever seen they only happen over a matter of 3 sec or so.

Testing on the trail is quite simple. You do need a boost gauge though. The pullback will almost certainly happen when smashing the flipper from dead start. This is when the engine is loaded the most and has the least amount of intercooler cooling. More snow (drag) equals better chance for pullback. You will see the boost back down within a second or 2 after W.O.T. if gas is bad. Put in the octane boost, swish it around, ride a little till you know its getting in the engine and repeat standing start W.O.T. If booster is sufficiant the boost will hold where it is supposed to be. I have seen the difference twice now, once with a few gallons of race fuel mixed in and once with Torco. The difference they both made was huge. Like 3-4 psi higher sustained boost. Every setup will have different psi numbers (gauges are all different etc.). The best way to determine where your peak performance boost should run would be to mix race fuel in your tank and get a baseline boost reading. Then you know what to shoot for with Octain Boost. Conditions may effect boost by 1 psi either way so shoot for getting same or very close boost readings when octane boost is used. There will be times when you do not need any octane boost. ALL pumps vary in quality. Even the same pump varies in octane.

[mnmsnowbeast]

Testing on the trail is quite simple. You do need a boost gauge though. The pullback will almost certainly happen when smashing the flipper from dead start. This is when the engine is loaded the most and has the least amount of intercooler cooling. More snow (drag) equals better chance for pullback. You will see the boost back down within a second or 2 after W.O.T. if gas is bad. Put in the octane boost, swish it around, ride a little till you know its getting in the engine and repeat standing start W.O.T. If booster is sufficiant the boost will hold where it is supposed to be. I have seen the difference twice now, once with a few gallons of race fuel mixed in and once with Torco. The difference they both made was huge. Like 3-4 psi higher sustained boost. Every setup will have different psi numbers (gauges are all different etc.). The best way to determine where your peak performance boost should run would be to mix race fuel in your tank and get a baseline boost reading. Then you know what to shoot for with Octain Boost. Conditions may effect boost by 1 psi either way so shoot for getting same or very close boost readings when octane boost is used. There will be times when you do not need any octane boost. ALL pumps vary in quality. Even the same pump varies in octane.

Great report snobeeler,keep us posted on this gas problem,we all now have,and its getting worse,now the feds are talking k-15 instead k-10 we now have,if they keep it up no one will be riding sleds unless you fill up with a tank of c-8 race fuel..

[sask prairie]

What is the highest octane you can run if you buy 110 octane race fuel and mix it 50/50 with 91 octane it be roughly 100 octane. Seen the same thing this weekend sled ran like crap and would pull full boost and hit 8300 then let off the flipper and it would only hit 7700 and stutter. In Winnipeg this weekend to do some riding any where to buy Torco here?

[Snobeeler]

What is the highest octane you can run if you buy 110 octane race fuel and mix it 50/50 with 91 octane it be roughly 100 octane. Seen the same thing this weekend sled ran like crap and would pull full boost and hit 8300 then let off the flipper and it would only hit 7700 and stutter. In Winnipeg this weekend to do some riding any where to buy Torco here?

If you have 110 race fuel you will not need to mix 50/50. I would start with 2 gallons in a full tank.

[sask prairie]

If you have 110 race fuel you will not need to mix 50/50. I would start with 2 gallons in a full tank.

Safe to run 110 octane in these FST with reflash?

[darrenbrezinski]

The higher the octane the better but don't add fuel with lead or you will be changing an o2 sensor shortly.

[sask prairie]

The higher the octane the better but don't add fuel with lead or you will be changing an o2 sensor shortly.

Better off to run the Torco or similar product then because mixing of fuels is going to happen when going on long runs. How quick do these O2 censors burn out and do they just throw a code?

[Bbking]

The higher the octane the better but don't add fuel with lead or you will be changing an o2 sensor shortly.

what race fuel to use if you cant use leaded fuel? any suggestions?

this stupid question since racefuel is not common here and REALY expensive

50 Nkr for 1 Liter equals 32,5$ for a gallon

so much for norway beeing a oil producing nation


well, may the snow be whit you all

[SWITCHMAN]

The higher the octane the better but don't add fuel with lead or you will be changing an o2 sensor shortly.

Someone help me out here. I read on the Torco web site that you want to run the lowest octane possible without detonation for max power. The octane booster is actually less combustible than the gas keeping from preignition. So you would not get as much power, assuming the ECU was not derating for low octane. From what I read you would want to use premium fuel and the least amount of octane boost and/or race fuel to have the motor run without derated power for max horsepower and mileage.